An interview with Bushy Van Eck, Author of Prisoners of Our Minds – Podcast number 5


Leslie Burby: Hi, I am Leslie Burby, Editor in Chief of Autism Parenting Magazine, and I am here with Bushy Van Eck.Thank you so much for joining me today.

Bushy Van Eck: Thanks Leslie, thank you for inviting me, I treat it as a great honor to be on your show.

Bushy Van Eck


LB: Thank you very much. Can you tell us about yourself? Where are you from?


BV: Well, basically I am from Springs, South Africa. I was born and raised in a town a couple of kilometers from Brakpan and I went to school also in Brakpan.


LB: It says here that you have Asperger’s, can you tell us how you came to realize that you have Asperger’s?


BV: Well, I am 58 years old now, back then there was no such thing [as Asperger’s Syndrome]. I was either treated as dumb or not conforming to the norms of society; being difficult and that type of thing. Even today in South Africa, some people have really no knowledge about Autism or Asperger’s or anything like that. It’s almost like people just don’t care about it.


When I was small, I had a very inquisitive mind. No matter what you showed or asked me, I always wanted to know, how it worked and how something was possible. Even if they taught me the sky was blue, I wanted to know why it’s blue and that led me to a lot of problems with my parents and even with my teachers and everybody I knew. Like for example, if they brought me some toys or something, my brothers or sisters would play with the toys; within an hour my toy would have been into a million pieces. I just liked to see what it was made of especially if it was like a little dinky toy, or a toy that made noises when I pushed it around, I would open it up to see what was causing this noise inside.


From grade 1, when the teachers asked a question, I was always the first to answer and then they would get angry with me after a while and said, “Keep quiet!  Give the other children a chance.” So that’s what I would sort of work through.  Then the teacher would ask me a question and I didn’t know what she was asking because I didn’t listen to him; my mind was preoccupied with something else especially if they were teaching something. I would catch [or understand] what they were teaching in the first few seconds and then I had to wait a couple of minutes for the other children to catch up. That was very irritating. That’s also a problem with the educational system, they don’t reward somebody that’s quick to grasp things and then you get bored and that’s where you start to lose; you don’t get [or miss] such important [information] because your mind goes somewhere else.


LB: I completely agree with you, yes I see it in my children and actually my daughter is extremely bright and has been accused of not paying attention and I said, “Well, of course she is not paying attention to your math lesson. Would you pay attention anymore?” They are teaching addition and she knew how to add when she was only 3. Yeah, there definitely needs to be better accommodations in school for the Aspergian-mind and for gifted minds in general. How old were you when you realized that, or when you discovered or heard about Asperger’s since you’re 58 and Asperger’s wasn’t even a diagnosis until ‘94?  Did you hear about it then in 94 or was it later on?


BV: Actually, it’s about 5 or 6 years ago, I think it was in 2008, I went to a psychiatrist. Dr. Jeeva is a well-known psychiatrist throughout the world. He actually treats people with Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder so I had an appointment with him and I saw him and it was a 2 hour interview.  Then he said I have Attention Deficit at a high level and also Asperger’s Syndrome which comes together.  Then he prescribed some medication that would help me and there was a lot of Respridol and a couple of other medications. Next morning, I took the first pill and then it was like there was some calm coming over my life. For the first time in my life, I could concentrate on one thing only and then that day I actually got more work done then I have in the last three months. I was getting all my paperwork done. The problem was that afternoon, I started to feel funny and when the medication started to wear off; it was the most awful experience I ever had in my life. It felt like I was going mad; I could run into walls. I couldn’t cope with coming back to normal and then that’s when the side effects of the medication occurred. I was scared of using it. To have that effect on me only after the first day was scary. What would happen if I started to use it for like a week or two weeks or a month? I actually asked him before I started with the medication. What affect would it have on me if I stopped taking it and he said you will never be able to stop taking the medication and if you must you’ll have to gradually reduce your medication.  That’s when I decided to keep on being who I am. Sorry, you want to ask something?


LB: Sorry, I just want to clarify. So a “calm” came over you but what happened when the medications started to wear off? Did your mind come racing back? What was scary about when the medications started to wear off?


BV: It was like everything was coming to my mind at once, usually if I can just go back to how I perceive the world is that for example if I go into where a lot of people are talking together like it is 10 people are sitting at the table and all these people are talking at once, I battle to concentrate on one person, I hear all these voices, besides I want to listen to everybody’s conversations and I can’t just concentrate on one person and I can’t block out the others.I battle with doing that. Even when I watch television and when my wife starts talking to me then I can’t concentrate on what she is saying even if she sits next to me and she starts to eat some crisps (chips) or something crunchy, that noise irritates me and I can’t concentrate on what I’m listening to on TV. Then I’ll have a fight with her and she can’t understand why I’m so irritated just because she’s eating crisps. If we go to a party, all those lights and the music; it’s hard, I can’t take it, I feel like I’m going mad, I’ve got to walk out of there but I never knew what it was. I just assumed most people are like that and only afterwards I realized that this was definitely something different in my life and not being able to cope with things like that.


LB: How did all this change? Is this what sparked your theory?


BV: Well, with my theory. Like I said I always questioned what everybody was telling me and then I would start to figure things out myself why something was working in a way that it was.  Even with my teachers at school, I can very well remember it was in standard 5 which is grade 7. It was back in about 1968 or around there and we were taught that life can only consists of photosynthesis, without photosynthesis life can’t exist on this planet and I would argue with the teacher about why. Why only with photosynthesis? I’m sure there must be other ways that life can exist and he taught me that if I wanted to pass the exams that I better learn this.  Then for me it was about in ‘78 when they discovered deep sea thermals which also created sea life, fish and all these tubulars and all that and the scientist discovered that life can be created from all these thermals and there’s a lot of gases coming out from the center of the earth and then they changed their whole viewpoint about photosynthesis and that was when I realized if you are thinking different, you must always trust your instincts. Something tells you something is not right, always go with your own instincts.


LB: That is so true for so many things in life. Always trust your instincts.


BV: If I can go back to my schooling days from grade 1, I was always first to answer everything when we started to learn to write, that was the biggest problem in my life. I would write, my handwriting was very ugly, if I could write very slowly I could write beautiful. When I was writing at a slow pace then I lost the idea of what I wanted to write, my mind was already like 3, 4 sentences ahead of what I was writing at the moment. So the only way I put down on paper what I was thinking was writing faster and then if I wrote faster, I couldn’t even read my own handwriting. Even then the teachers would take my work throw it in front of me and tell me I’m writing like a pig and you can’t write like this. I would be made fun of by other children about what my teachers said and that actually just worsened my writing. Gradually I started to withdraw, actually throughout my whole schooling I very seldom did homework because I knew I would be punished for bad handwriting and stuff like that.  Then the teachers knew even if my answers were right; and they would just mark it wrong for punishing me for my handwriting and that was one of my biggest drawbacks in life. Thank goodness for computers today because we just type what we want to and I think that’s very important for kids that battle with handwriting and those things. They should allow kids like that to start to learn to talk from a young age to expresses themselves.


LB: Yeah, not everyone is fantastic at every skill.  Handwriting was easy for me but I don’t have Asperger’s but still I’ve always said even to my children just in general (I have two children that are on the spectrum and one that is not) and I have always said to them that everyone is different and that everyone has their own strengths and my strength has always been English, comprehension to be specific. However, reading was extremely difficult for me when I was young. I remember starting to read a sentence and my mind would create a new story while my mouth read the words on the page. I had to learn to concentrate on just the words I read and control my imagination. I had several tutors and my parents had to help me. It’s actually what helped me get interested in becoming a literacy tutor and getting involved in English but my comprehension was always there.  It was always easy to understand the book and what was going on. I guess my point is that although I was fantastic in English and I could understand Shakespeare, Thoreau and Chaucer at a very deep level at a very young age, I was horrible at math. I’ve always been horrible at math. Still it was a huge struggle to me which disappointed my mother because she actually went to school to be an accountant. So I always tell everyone that whether on the spectrum or not, I believe that everyone has their own strengths and weaknesses. Anyway getting back to your struggle in school, I know you’ve been studying this theory of relativity. How did you start studying that and how did that come to be?


BV: For myself, I was always very good at math and all that but history that was my bad [weak] point. When I left school, I went and worked for a telephone manufacturer, I was actually trained in electronics and then was doing fault finding and testing all the equipment to find faults and then sending it back to the departments to fix the errors that you found. From there, I started to sell furniture, my brother-in-law actually got me out of what I was doing, which I am grateful for still to this day but the moment I started to go into sales that’s where I actually started to work on my theory.


We had a home being built in Sharon Park and then one day I was digging foundations to put in a double garage. (A garage is a covered place basically where you park your cars for those who don’t know what a garage is.) As I was digging the foundations, the ground or the soil was very hard so I put some water into it continuously and then the water would start to soak into the soil, like I said I have a very inquisitive mind, if I do anything I want to know why and how. I was totally consumed with this water soaking into the soil, of course we had learned about absorption and all that but I started thinking differently and that’s actually where my theory started from.  As I saw this water soak into the soil, I thought usually if you bring two items together, the volume would increase but in this case the volume didn’t increase, the water just disappeared so naturally I assumed there were empty spaces in between the soil level, tunnels or open spaces where the water can actually go into, to occupy space within the soil.  Then I thought if that can occupy space, maybe everything else needs something to live in or to be occupied within, so I started thinking about fish in the sea. Fish living in the sea, the water doesn’t filtrate through the fish.  The fish actually sort of push the water apart so the fish is in between the water, so the fish needs that environment to live in.  Then I thought if fish need water to live in, humans also need something to live in.  We’ve got our oxygenated atmosphere or biosphere we live in while we aren’t aware of the air around us, it’s just like were living in open space which is a misperception. If fish need water to live in, we need space to live in, what about the planets, maybe the planets also sort of need an environment to be in, not just like the planet is floating in space with nothing to keep them apart, so I thought well maybe there’s something that we can’t see and at that stage I didn’t know about Ether (also known as Aether) which was a theory that I learned about, that was discarded in the beginning of the 19th century.  I thought well maybe everything needs some sort of substance to exist in. What is the substance with water exists in and the fish exist and humans and everything exists in? What is the level of tunnels in between and all that, everything all your atoms everything exists within these tunnels so maybe that’s why we exist and I started to work on this idea and it totally consumed me and then I started to actually make some discoveries that actually make sense but then I realized that if something filtrates through this we call it universal fluid. Let’s say everything filtrates through this universal fluid at a slow pace then how come humans exist in this because we also filtrate through this universal fluid at a very slow pace so that’s impossible and then I got stuck on my theory for about 5 years and then one morning I woke up and I realized if this is true then we actually live at a very slow pace. I then realized if that theory exists in this fluid, maybe what we perceive to be happening is maybe happening at a very slow pace. If you look at evolution, evolution is actually only half a truth but if you look at the evolution with the very smallest forms of life, the bacteria and stuff like that can move through the space very fast, so it will have a very fast life but as the organism grows in complexity, as it becomes bigger then it can’t progress through this intricate little tunnels and fluid, the solid universe that far so it will start  to move through this phases slower and it basically, matter must slow the conscious awareness down but in any case, as organisms as it became more complex the mind set of that organism got to be slowed down and then if it slowed something down, everything at a micro level  will be perceived to be speeding up and then as evolution evolved further and further, the mind set was slowed down even further and then I thought, okay if it’s got a mind, like say let’s say the conscious mind. The conscious mind works at an atomic level, where everything is happening extremely fast. The organism which evolves through this universal thread becomes much slower then certainly when this level of mind, physical mind gives a command to this organism to move or to crawl or whatever, it will wait a long time for this organism to move because it can progress through the solid universe at the slower pace as it begins or gets more complicated and then I thought, in our conscious mind it will have a lot of time on our hands. While it is giving a command it will wait a long time before this action is happening and then I realized that what if it is a conscious mind actually creates a second consciousness and then changed itself to be the subconscious so at the subconscious level.  Everything is happening at a atomic speed which is happening very fast but as the organism becomes more complex, the subconscious will pass the command onto the consciousness at a slower rate. So the slower rate can adjust to the environment with other words, the more complex the organism becomes, it actually adapts to its environment. Then it will pass these commands on at a slower rate to adopted environment to be perceived as if it was happening at the real time and as things became more and more complex, we can now take it to the human level. We being so big, our anatomies and all, that we move through this universe at a very slowed pace, but at a subconscious level, everything is happening at the extremely fast pace so the subconscious mind that can work everything at a very fast pace and then take out what it needs, pass it unto the consciousness at the much slower rate and that’s how we perceive the realities and at the end, I started to realize that the smaller the organism is, the faster its metabolic rate is. The slower it will perceive time on the outside to be, the more complex the organism becomes, the bigger it becomes, the slower the metabolic rate, the faster time will be perceived to be.


I started to work on things like déjà vu and sleep paralysis and conceptualizing all this and then I could actually start to give valid answers to what sleep paralysis really is where you’re caught up in a moment in the transitional gates  of your mind at a subconscious level, where all the senses has all of the data from the outside environment happening at an extremely fast rate, all these senses are sorted by relevancy and only certain thoughts of what you received from all your senses is then adapted and passed on to your consciousness which you then experience as a conscious moment and that’s why if you will look at sleep paralysis for example, when you perceive to wake up in sleep paralysis, your whole body seems to be frozen and you can’t move, your frozen up in time. It’s actually your subconscious that’s working so fast that puts you in another time frame of time and then say you’re living in a moment of the subconscious and then at a subconscious, second in the conscious level will be like an hour at the subconscious level. I actually write about this on my website, you can actually get a better clear understanding.


LB: And where can you read that? What’s your website?


BV: From this I realized that if that is to be true that would mean that a fly’s perception of time will be very slow. As a human, if you try and swat the fly, the fly will see your every movement to be very, very slow and we would see a fly to be very fast because its much smaller than us and be able to adapt at the environment at a much faster rate and like I said the bigger you become, the slower your motion becomes so in other words if a fly could read a book, it can read a book ten times over in a time that human can read a book only once and if you look at bigger insects, they came closer to the timeframe of humans like if you go a bit further, if you look at squirrels for example they can run around the snake and the snake won’t be able to bite them and they’ll actually kill the snake because they will perceive the snakes movement to be much slower than they do and then if you look at dogs, dogs mind would work twice as slow as that of human. In other words, if you ran a dog would perceive you to be running twice as slow and that is also why if you give a dog commands and you tell it in a normal tone of voice to, “Sit! Stand!” It ignores you. If you tell a dog, “Sit! Stand!” in a quick command then it listens, you got to give him short, quick commands to a dog; Sit! Stand! Lie!  Then it will listen to you but the other thing is if you think very carefully, when you tell a dog, to him because his mind is working twice as fast, to him the sound “Sit!” [speaking quickly] it would sound normal to him, but if you will tell a dog “Sit,” [speaks in a regular tone] it will sound like ssssiiiittttt [speaks very slowly] and that’s why it ignores you because it doesn’t make sense of the command. If you go to bigger animals like elephants, elephants would just be the opposite. Elephants would perceive a human to also be moving very fast, even if you walk at a normal pace, to the elephant it would seem like the human is running and if a human runs then the elephant would perceive the humans motions to be like that of a fly being very irritating. That’s why in a game reserve people would tell you if there’s an elephant stand “dead” still, don’t move because every movement would be exaggerated for the elephant. So I write all about this in my book back in 2009, with all these perceptions and then metabolic rates.


Then I also write about a youngsters mind that’s working faster that can do more things during a moment, it’s adaptation or evolution if you’d like to call it that and then it’s like kids of today are like Ferraris and then older generations are like an old Ford Model T vehicle. The mind is adapted to work at a much faster rate but still these drivers of an old Ford Model T, they are trying to teach these new kids things which they can’t so they’re holding these kids back that’s why a kid very quickly gets irritated if the lesson doesn’t go fast; if it goes at a slow pace. I wrote about that metabolic rates which is responsible for how fast your mind works faster or slower and then how we perceive the world at a slower or a faster rate and then about animals perceiving the world to be the smaller the animal is the faster metabolic rate and the slower the world outside is perceived to be going in slow motion that’s why if a bird flies and it can fly through trees and it doesn’t fly into a branch because the perception of time is at a slower rate so it won’t start to navigate through all these branches and all that. Everybody loved to laugh at me and I was made of mockery, nobody took me serious and then the amazing thing is in September last year, at Trinity University in Dublin, there were three or four Universities in collaboration with a lot of scientists. There were studies over a very long period of time having millions of dollars, they spent millions of dollars on research with a lot of scientists, a couple of universities in collaboration were altogether. Then last year on the 16thof September, they announced this breakthrough discovery they made. The breakthrough was that a fly sees the world seven times slower than humans and that all these animals, the dogs either wolf were 1 ½ times as slower as humans do, elephants and whales are going faster and there was my theory that I knew many years ago being laughed at and nobody would take me serious and yet this is only the tip of the ice berg, my theory goes so far that it can literally explain everything. This news was on every newspaper in Europe and those places, it was headline news, it was quite a big thing that this discovery that was made and yet I wrote about it many years ago telling people about it but I couldn’t get anybody to take me serious. Many years ago, I would phone Universities and tell them I’ve got a theory, I can actually explain what Autism is all about, what Asperger’s is. I can explain the human mind, I can explain everything. If you go to ask a Psychologist- What is sleep paralysis and déjà vu? What can all these things tell? They can have a couple of different theories which just don’t make sense. You’ve got to believe it in good faith. You can almost say they come up with a lot of crap you will hear from them. My theory actually has logical reasoning power which makes logic because everything I do, it must make logical sense, you must be able to actually put a finger on it and not just out of good faith or because this scientist said so, so take it for granted. Then I would phone Universities and tell them. I would ask for a scientist that is working with time perception and those things; then I always got somebody to take my calls. They would ask me, “What’s your specialty?” I said, “I’m selling cars.” Then they said, “No, this guy (scientist) is very busy he won’t have time for you.”


LB: Well, I have to say clearly, it is a concept that is catching on I mean just alone in the past year, I’ve seen two children’s movies that have touched on this, the animated movie the Ant Bully and Epic. Have you seen them?


BV: I saw one of the movies. This is so frustrating knowing that you knew this so many years ago and yet knowing this is only the top of the ice berg. That knowledge which I can share with the world is so vast, I can literally explain everything but yet nobody will take me serious. I actually wanted to just dump my whole theory and just try to live a normal life because one thing you must realize – for the last 25 years especially last ten years of my life, this theory has totally consumed my life. Every single moment of my life, we don’t even go on holidays, we don’t go away on holidays or vacations. When I get home from work in the afternoon, I sit down in front of my computer and work on this theory and conceptualizing and working things out and bringing formulations and all that. Until 1 o’clock, 2 o’clock in the morning I do it on Saturdays on Sundays. I do my own gardening while I’m busy in the garden; this is all that goes through my mind. When I talk to somebody, this is what I talk about. I don’t go to parties; and I’ve got friends now. Like I said this theory has become an obsession with me and then I literally spent thousands and thousands of hours on this theory that’s why I would challenge any scientist in this world to prove my theory wrong. If they’ve seen what I put in and what I can do. Then a year ago it was the first week of January, I received an email and it was from Clayton Nuckelt and he said for the last two years, he saw my website Prisoners of Our Minds and he read a bit and then he would put it aside and then a month later he found himself going back to it to read about it more. Then he said eventually he got so caught up in my theory, it started to open up doors, things he could never answer were suddenly becoming clear and he just had to help me get the theory out so he contacted me a year ago and he said he would like to help promote my theory and get the word out into the world because he realized what I’ve found can make a difference in other people’s lives and he was actually the one that started talking about how we can make a big difference in people with Asperger’s and Autism and all this. We can actually; your theory can actually explain all this.


LB: We want to say thank you Clayton for this because I’m glad you didn’t give up and I’m glad were here with you today and I hope you get more exposure so you get to study more about relativity of time. For parents that have children that are diagnosed with autism and Asperger’s. Do you have any advice that you can give them to help them better understand their children based on your theory?


BV: You know, that’s something (like Autism, Asperger’s) it’s a very sensitive subject. You must be very careful advice that you give to people because with all these laws about medicines and psychological evaluations and all that.


LB: How do you think their minds work? Do you think they work faster?


BV: What I can say that any parent that’s got a child on the spectrum level. They should take my works serious and start to study my work and it’s like you can take a book every night and read a little story to your child. If you can teach the child to read himself, he can read all the stories himself. So what I’m trying to say is I can certainly give advice to parents. What I can do better, I don’t need to give them advice; I can teach them the realities of our minds. How your minds function, how it works, and once they can understand that, then everything will start to make sense.  If you understand the relativity of your minds then everything they observed in their own children, when they see their children doing something specific, they will immediately be able to put themselves in a mind frame of the child, they will know what the child is going through and why they are behaving like he or she does.  Then from there they will realize that they can actually help the child and better understand. I think at this stage, too many scientists and neurologists are trying to find what causes Autism. They should first find out what Autism is about, what it really is. Only once you know what Autism is, will you be able to find out what is the actual cause of it? Which of course many theories about what actually causes it and then will they be able to find not really cure but to help these children by virtual realities. I’ve been looking at a lot [of books] and reading a lot of things where diet is really important. At the end of the day, the whole thing is about metabolic rates. If your child’s metabolic rate is very fast then obviously his mind will work faster, when his mind is working faster then everything, the reality will be perceived to be in a slower motion so when your child talk to a child, his mind is working faster, if you talk to a normal rate like Jenny come here then it will sound like Jeeennnyycooommmmeeehhhheerree [speaks very slowly]. Then if the metabolic rate is working slower, everything you’ll say will sound very fast like if you say Jenny come here, it will say Jenny come here [says quickly]. At a lower limit, if you exceed any of these limits, your words will become meaningless, they won’t be able to make up why this words, actually what the meaning of this word is and that is why children that battle to learn to talk it’s because when they hear their parents talking to them the rate of the parents talking to them is too slow so they can’t learn the word. I just wanted to tell you something quickly and it’s a big thing on why brain size is so important. Now if you look at animals, big animals they’ll grow to adulthood, they will mature like 1 or 3 years for the animal to grow up. Why does it take a human a small kid like 15 or 18 years grow to full size, there is a very valid reason for this. Animals have only a few lessons to learn basic lesson where adults have a lot of things to learn. So when a baby is born let’s assume his mind the brain is half the size of the adult, I’m just using rough figures now. If the baby’s mind is half the size of the animal, his mind works twice as fast so the reason for that the evolution provided for kids to be able to learn so if his mind is working twice as fast. Whatever you as a parent teach the child, the child will see to be happening twice as slow, you know yourself if you teach your child to tie a shoelace and if you have to take your shoe and tie it a normal pace like you would do every day, there’s no way the child would catch up to learn this but yet if a child’s mind is working twice as fast then everything you do is twice as slow so without you realizing whatever you teach your child, he will see every movement twice as slow every word you say would be twice as slow so with the words being slower you will be better able to grasp the concept of that where to tie and  how to form the syllables in his mouth and that’s also the very reason why as the child grows older, for a young child 3 weeks will feel like it’s a very long time, as you grow older three weeks went by very fast. I said a child’s starts to learn all of this things, his mind slowly adapts with the perception of time becoming slower and slower as he obtains more information as his intelligence grows from that. If you look at Idols [from American Idol show] for example, everybody loves the adults when the girl goes on the stage to sing then the voice sounds horrible and the judges will ask were you serious? Or were you just joking with us? And that person will start to cry because she was really serious, she thought that she was singing beautifully but everybody else will hear it as being awful. That what they don’t realize is we are actually the a—holes for laughing at them because we don’t understand the human mind, that person singing there, the time perception is at a different frame rate so in other words if their minds work faster, their own voices will be slower so then the way they perceive their own voices will be different and that’s why their parents will also think their children sing beautiful, what they usually do, their parents also think they sing beautiful but everybody else doesn’t agree with that. In other words everything that comes into the mind, if you look at the sound that comes into the mind, if your mind works faster the sound will be slowed down, like I said that’s a clever trick of evolution to learn the child to be able to learn more and then if our mind works slower then everything will come in faster, that is also why people like/prefer colors differently.  If you look at colors that is why people like different colors. If your mind works at a 100% optimum level and if you look at a color at a 500nm timescale then your mind will work on the that signal on the certain frequency in your mind but now if your mind is working 10% slower then that color that comes into your mind the perception of color will also be slowed down and then inside your mind the frequency of the color will basically be stretched out so you will actually perceive a different color. Your red and my red won’t be the same they will have a different color because of this.


What I’m trying to convey, the message I’m trying to convey to you is that my theory is so far reaching that once you understand how the minds work and the time work and everything is based on time. Only in one factor, only time is actually able to make sense of everything which can be explained everything and how perceive their own realities that to understand this you must go much deeply into the subconscious and the conscious level where the subconscious is working at the much faster rate. If I could address this quickly like if you look at senses for example when you sit around the table and 10 people are having a conversation, your ears pick up every single word of those 10 people, it is sent into your mind, into the subconscious. The subconscious is working much faster because the subconscious is working much faster, all these sounds are coming at the subconscious at a very slow rate so then by freedom of choice, I decide in this conversation a normal and neurological or a neurotypical person that perceived to be normal. They can sit in a crowd of ten people and concentrate on only one person and actually follow that conversation because the sounds come in slow and your mind knows that you want to listen to that person’s voice, it will only take that voice and will get rid of all the other voices, discard all of it and then take that voice, stretch it out and pass it in your conscious awareness through the transitional gates of your mind. For somebody that’s autistic, they will hear all those sounds that their minds battle to take out only one conversation that’s why if an autistic person goes into the conversation, they get distressed because their minds start to follow all this conversations, it can’t take the one conversation out and pass it on to the consciousness so now it takes all this conversations and put it altogether and pass it on to the consciousness which is an overflow of data. Their minds are inundated with data too many sounds and everything and they can’t stand it that’s when they have a meltdown. Even with too many lights and everything, their minds can’t process all of this data and only take out the relevant data, only pass on the relevant data; it passes on all of the data, the same with taste and smell and all the other senses.


LB: Thank you so much, I know you can go on forever about all this, it is extremely interesting and I’m so glad to have even just a short time to talk to you about all this, it’s really interesting so if people want to read more about your theory they can go to you said, right? Tell us the website one more time?


BV: The amazing thing is I’ve actually coined that word “Transparencing”, my site doesn’t do justice to my theory because my whole life therewere such a nature, I don’t think in words. There’s a lot of many things that I want to express but I can’t find the words to do it because to me words are meaningless, a word is something that I just add to something, makeup a word I could use any word for anything basically. All of my life I’ve had a very difficult time in trying to express myself to explain something but when I’m in front of the blackboard then I can draw and use my hands and I can talk and then I can convey my theory better but at the end of the day that I want to try and achieve is to get only one person to take me serious that can make a difference. If it’s one person that has got a say in the world or that has links to a University or anyway where I could take my theory serious and then allow me to come and give them lectures, I will change the whole world around them. Like I said earlier, all as well I would challenge any scientist on this world or neurologist to prove my theory wrong and as so in fact if you look at quantum physics they now could tell them why quantum physics is messing with their mind so much, why they don’t make real progress, why there are so many questions, quantum and tandem and all those scientist that can’t understand and then once they start to understand the theory, they will actually start to make sense of that as well. That is how far my theory goes.


LB: Do you have one scientist in mind that you would love to challenge or a specific University in mind?


BV: I would like to challenge the brightest scientist not just a normal scientist. I would like to challenge any scientist, if I can in any way get it out. There are a lot of esteemed scientists probably studying time travel week ago and go in the future and go in the past and all of the things which is nonsense. There is not such a thing. With quantum physics, science has progressed so far that they realize that they believe we are computer generated consciousness that we are not real, that everything is holographic reality, our whole universe is a hologram and then there’s thousands of scientists at this very moment starting to go over to that belief system and they are starting to do studies about it and I would like to prove them wrong.


You must keep one thing in mind that our subconscious reality is of such a nature that we can’t experience that people if I had to experience, how we really exist, how we really live they would go mad. The consciousness, if you look at the making of the movie, you’ve got all this camera men and this audio people and they shoot thousands and thousands of airways of filament and put it all together and they will start to edit it and take some pieces out and then they create a movie that you can actually watch at 1 ½ hour movie at the end of the day. Our lives is exactly like that film you see, our realities is like a making of the film there is a lot of data, and a lot of things happening and then that’s as we perceive as the reality, it’s only a part on the unconscious awareness on the strictly need to know basis.


LB: Okay, I thank you so much for joining us here; I hope you do have the chance to disprove all of those people because I believe in what you’re saying. It makes perfect logical sense to me, so if this interest you then please check the website make sure you go to and get a free issue of our magazine, you can like us on Facebook and follow up at twitter @AutismParentMag for this  autism related happenings or you can contact me directly on twitter @LeslieAPMag. Thank you for watching and thank so much for joining us today.


BV: Leslie, I must thank you for giving me this opportunity and hope I didn’t mess with your mind too much? Now does it make sense?


LB: No, no. It does, it makes sense. Thank you so much and I apologize for not giving you more time.


BV: If I could just on the last note say something that. If I were capable of conveying myself like most people do then I wouldn’t have been able to come up with these theories because we are all unique, we all think differently, if you gain in one aspect of the mind then you certainly need to do something on the other side which is also another big part of the theory. For me, I’ve been able to come up with this theory that’s why my mind is not capable of allowing me to express myself, that’s why I battle to express myself because my mind is too much functioning on the logical side or figuring things out and not in coming up with the right words as the right phrase and the right sentence to contain myself.


LB: Okay so there you have it and they can contact you on your website. Also, coming in May 2014 Bushy will be sharing his theory in detail on his new show “Discover Your Mind with Bushy Van Eck” on the Autism Channel.  Currently only available with Roku will soon be available in many other streaming options and the channel itself is free to watch. Here is a video statement to the autistic community from Bushy- Bushy’s Statement.


BV: Okay thank you for your help. Thanks and goodbye.


4 Responses to An interview with Bushy Van Eck, Author of Prisoners of Our Minds – Podcast number 5

  1. I thought the interview was very good there were issues addresssed that i was not aware of and i will be looking more in to transparency and getting the book . I have a child who is autistic which makes it even more interesting

  2. I thought this was very enlightening. My son is 12 and has autism. He does not like it when many people are talking at once. The problem seems worse as he has become older. Currently TV really bothers him – even it just being plugged in. Is there any info on vision issues also for those with aspergers or autism?

  3. Absolutely agree with him. As a mother of a hfa, not so high years ago, always felt I had to understand from other autistic people how their mind, senses work, as I wrote on my poem, in order to connect and build comunication exchange. My 12 year old says to me, you know how my mind works, now “I” (HIM) want to understand the way you(us) think.

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